You mention buying the guns was legal...and that one of them was for her husband who is a felon. You are incorrect, her buying that gun for him was illegal. It was a felony often referred to as a 'Straw Purchase'. You got to be careful when drawing twisted analogies, it often backfires as is the case here.
boo-hoo, The poor convicted felon,drug using,dope selling,dead beat dad takes a bullet..how romantically tragic.
Toby and Joey
Wow!!! the clearly fallacies of your argument are SOOOOO glaring. Holly's emails have been released. Lydnie has them and clearly has found nothing from them otherwise the law enforcement would actually be investigating Holly and currently they are not and they never will because she is diligently working on restoring Cuyahoga Heights moral standards legally. The era of Joe and faculty getting/giving hand out is over. Holly is doing everyone justice from her work whether you are blinded to it or not. Also, you cant make claims to investigate Holly randomly you need evidence which clearly you or uneducated and possibly slightly slow but that is okay because truth will have its day and Holly will stand tall over you dimwits.
Not sure what an "Annie Zaleski" is - and don't dispute that Columbus has a younger audience (w/OSU) - but she apparently has been drinking the Columbus "we're the 15th largest city in the US" Kool-Aid that so many do, blindly... Sure, the Columbus heavily annexed "city" may be larger... and Cleveland (within city limits) may be much smaller - but don't be ignorant....
Within about an hour of downtown Cleveland (Northeast Ohio) - there are 3.5-4.0MM people - A top 20 market . Within an hour drive of downtown Columbus, there are about 2MM people. A top 35 market.. Columbus is both the "largest city" in the state... and, by far, the "3rd largest" metro area in the state... Columbus is half as big as metro CLE/CAK... Sorry, Annie. Get your facts straight. If acts aren't playing in Cleveland, it may be because we don't buy tickets. It isn't because the Columbus market is bigger. It isn't. Not even close.
Cleveland radio is it's own worst enemy. I didn't hear of The Black Keys until i stumbled across them on the internet, not here on Cleveland radio. And that was when they were awesome. The were on their 7th album, touring world wide and headlining festivals and yet the largest venue in Cleveland they played until 2008 was The Beachland Ballroom (which is an awesome venue). That's a direct result of zero local radio support. I can't even listen to local radio anymore, just the "same old thing".
Clockwork Muzik has been one of the best local studios for years budding so many of these artists who play dirty jones shows they don't see money for just a spot on a little grog shop show like it means anything anymore to people in the hip hop community
Dirty in my eyes has always done his shows w younger people who aren't demanding pay and he can make big profits promoting of the risk comes thru unless it's his team or his older boys. And that is a true statement no shade attached
this isn't to be personal against dirty I have love for him and the help he's given young artists but he's FAR from a reason that keeps US going. WE keep him going. Without us artists he has no place because all we have to do is organize our own shows. Plenty of people have done so. But venues like the grog shop OVER CHARGE the hell out of u unless you're dirty so another example of UNFAIR politics in our city. That's why we all look for outside of Cleveland moves if we want to make our careers go because all the old heads in the city think they have this key that doesn't exist. It's a money scheme to keep us all trapped in a Cleveland loop and be local forever.
so inaccurate about the hip hop scene sure dirty does his thing but I'm not gonna go into the semantics and smear a reputation but there are SO many more groups and collectives in this city working so hard . This was a case of you knowing him vs doing research based on the hip hop scenes opinion. Case Barge is managed by a different person too that is inaccurate. Nice read but this is an example of how "politics" work in our city with music.
Look in The Fader, look in Complex, look in Noisey look to major publications and you can see lots of others working just as hard.
I want to shout out LIFE MGMT specifically they have talent and people making real moves. DK KY is helping boom Lil Crays career and ALL the dope studios in the city that put out quality. I can go on forever.
Thank you Mark for calling out Zaleski- a really ignorant statement. I'll give you Columbus has an edge with the huge concentrated student population, so can pull those up and comers and bands that play the Newport, but even Columbus knows they don't have even close to the population of Cleveland within a 30 min drive. I think promoters/bookers know the numbers well enough, but still doesn't explain why we aren't getting the legacy acts. Also, did we get more when Tower City Amphitheatre was going? I seem to remember a good mix there, even if the venue left something to be desired: Wilco, Foo's, Hall&Oates, Carole King, etc.
Also have to give a shout-out to Dan, I'll have to stop up and see him. Easily one of the best DJs in Cleveland, and has been in the game a long time.
Glad to see touch is doing well
Seems kind of insane not to have Mark Soberay's name on that list! For 21 years Mark has run Rock and Roll City Studios, on Cleveland's near west side, devoting his life to providing a safe, affordable and reliable space for area bands to practice, grow, network, learn and thrive!
Am I the only one who doesn't care if some of the huge acts who are past their prime don't stop here? I've seen some great, really affordable acts (Fitz and the Tantrums, Elle King) at the Masonic Auditorium, am seriously looking forward to Florence and the Machine and of Monsters and Men at Blossom, and just got tickets for Flogging Molly at Jacobs Pavilion. I'm a lot more interested in these newer, frankly much more interesting bands than some of the oldies whose voices are shot (though I'll cop to seeing The Moody Blues at EJ Thomas in Akron.) At 54 I'm not exactly young, but I'd much rather see these newer folks than the dinosaurs and they are coming to town.
Maybe it's just me but the article doesn't really seem to answer the question and hypothesis in the headline.
Just a bunch of filler.
Notice that the problem is one thing only: money
Notice who's "to blame": Live Nation.
Notice who sold their local booking business to Live Nation for - yes - money. The Belkins, or, as they want us to think of them, Cleveland's champions. Ha.
The problem is that the Belkins could have still been multimillionaires without selling out to Live Nation, and they could still be booking major concerts here.
Those few extra million that the Belkins got to sell out Cleveland is the reason why we get bypassed.
It's so expensive to attend shows that it becomes a choice of who you want to see the most and that sucks. I would go see all the shows if I could afford it. I also cannot stand Blossom Music Center. It's a pain in the ass to get in and out of and if you don't have seats in the pavilion the sound is distorted and the view is nearly non existent. It's really sad and I wish someone could figure out a better solution for the musicians as well as the fans.
"Plus, Columbus is a big city — the 15th-largest city in the U.S., population-wise, according to statistics through 2014, and booming," she says. "Cleveland, meanwhile, is the 48th-largest city, and has steadily lost population since 1990. The Cleveland market simply isn't as populous as it used to be, which means there are fewer potential concert-goers."
That pretty much sums up the ignorance of the corporate music broker these days. Columbus proper's population inclusion spans to parts of 5 counties and 225 square miles. Cleveland proper is about 1/6 of a single county at 78 square miles. Cleveland is 1/3 the size in land area, but it nearly doubles Columbus in population density. Cuyahoga County has nearly double the residents of Columbus and tops Franklin county by 100,000+. The Cleveland metro area is also much larger, as is the television market. But, when the corporate promotion hacks on the coasts offer comparable bids, they pull their list of population rankings by city proper. "Hey, Columbus is #15 on the list! It has to be the better market. Right?" -- and that's about the extent of it.
I think it is also important to point out that there are a good number of great venues in and around Cleveland that are not exclusives for LiveNation, Bowery Presents, AEG, etc. : Everything from Now That's Class, to Mahall's, Pat's in the Flats, Grog Shop, Beachland, The Masonic, etc. As a result, we get skipped on megatours a lot of the time and that is really just fine. What we get instead are artists that genuinely want to play here and know they will have an audience that wants to hear their music. Sure, there are exceptions and sometimes a cheap all ages show for a band I like that is on their way up can be worse than stabbing myself in the face with a butter knife, but I moved from NYC to here and I am genuinely (mostly) happy with the array of artists that play here.
These big acts didn't necessarily come here as "big acts" they came as emerging acts which makes CLE a perfect market of financially affordable, attentive audience, and location. Perhaps it is best to embrace what we have while we have it and they go out to make millions. MGK, Bone-Thugs, Michael Stanley ect..
Just to fill in a couple of historical points. One of the reason that Cleveland became "the home" of rock and roll was that between the years 1955 and 1975, Cleveland was consistently rated as one of the top 3 cities in the world for per capita record sales.
(This comes from a study that SONY did back in the late 1970s, sorry I don't have the exact reference.......but a note to all music researchers: ALL the major companies did studies on the biz beginning in the mid-60s right up to the present time.....INVALUABLE resources for cuttin' thru some of the bullshit. For example, the 1978 SONY study proved for the first time that pirate/bootleggers bought FOUR TIMES the amount of music they were "ripping off". Remains true to this day.)
July 20-26, 2016
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