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Re: “The Curse of Chief Wahoo

Well, mathematical, you actually wrote better than the columnist. Even though I respectfully disagree with you on most points listed above, at least your argument had some backbone behind it. Yes, many of the above comments here were down right childish. I was most disappointed in the articles lack of facts and badly researched argument. That can't be denied. If your going to write an article of this nature, get your facts straight and don't leave so many holes.
Now, if Chief Wahoo was completely removed, what do you think would happen?? And this is not an excuse to keep him, but.....he wouldn't go away. Many Clevelanders have an attachment to the caricature. And it's not a hateful one. There's been a long, bad history with America and the Natives who lived here first. It's not pretty. But I've never met anyone who wears Chief Wahoo because he/she it trying to demean a race of people. That's where the problem lies. Where do we stop?? Animals have feelings too, it's been proven. Will we have to change all those logos?? The fact is that it is a matter of perception, which most people on this thread don't like. If you see him as rascist, that is fine.....but most people don't. And no one is using Chief Wahoo to hurt anyone...anywhere...on purpose. If it offends some, well....I'm not sure what can be done about it. Cause you know that Clevelanders would, rebeliously, wear the logo if it were removed. I think the situation would get worse, not better. And I say this out of truth, not out of wanting to necisserily keep the logo.
Lastly, I've got 2 question to anyone on here who can answer them...and I've been to a fair amount of Indians games both here and on the road. Why, if it's such a horrible symbol, don't they protest at ALL the games both here and away?? They seem to only show up at the Home Opener and when the team makes the playoffs. And why do I never see any Native Americans protesting here....or when the team is at any of the other parks around the country???

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Posted by joekr on 05/01/2012 at 6:28 PM

Re: “The Curse of Chief Wahoo

Once again, this debate fails to mention the Cleveland Indians organization as one of the leaders in de-segregating baseball. Though I admit that the Sockealixis reference is a stretch, Cleveland was still the first to have a native american player. Chief Wahoo sat on the jersey of Larry Doby, the first American league black ball player. And the 35ft. tall Chief Wahoo observed Frank Robinson become the first black manager in baseball. If it's such a rascist symbol, then why has the organization been involved in so many non-rascist, pro-minority events over the years? But, hey, when you run out of things to write about, you can always count on Chief Wahoo to wrangle in a few extra readers. I fell for it:) Your slant on this was to heavy. Your research on the side of the protesting group was much more researched then the side of the organization. It was obvious that you were more intent on gaining readers & causing a "stir", than actually getting all the facts on both sides. If this is what you & your magazine were going for, bravo for you. I can't believe that you actually helped the protesting sides call at all. If anything, you probably made it harder for them. Good job...

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Posted by joekr on 04/26/2012 at 10:05 PM

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