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      <![CDATA[Sounds like Rosenberg has it in for this conductor on a personal level. He appears jealous and catty, especially considering people liked his reviews up until he started committing personal attacks against the conductor from day one!
        
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      <![CDATA[A quick perusal of <a href="http://classicstoday.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">classicstoday.com</a>, which has a point scoring system, shows that Welser-Most's recordings with various ensembles have received mixed reviews. His recent recording of Beethoven's 9th got 6 out of 10.
        
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      <![CDATA[Who knew all these "artsy-fartsies" read Scene magazine!<br>
  Whether or not Welser-Most is a good conductor or Rosenberg is a qualified critic, the question remains whether the Plain Dealer bowed to pressure from the orchestra.... it seems they did, again confirming the PD is just not a very  good newspaper.<br>
It's funny that the PD hounds politicians for comment yet no one at the PD is around to offer any comment on this story. Shame on the PD.<br>
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Great article Mr. Gill.
        
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      <![CDATA[I've spoken with a current member of the Orchestra on this issue. This particular performer seemed fair and balanced in their assessment and also played under Welser Most's predecesser, von Dohnányi.
        
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      <![CDATA[It was not obvious why the Cleveland Orchestra chose to hire Welser-Moest, but it was obvious from a performance I attended of his in Philadelphia that he was too young and immature, not a deeply perceptive-enough musician to lead such an orchestra, and that the career/publicity machine he was riding was responsible. It's a pity he didn't have the sense, wisdom, and maturity to hold himself back until he was more ripened.
        
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      <![CDATA[All one needs to do is compare a performance led by Boulez to one led by Welser-Most. Boulez expects and receives clean, musical line from a well balanced sound.
        
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      <![CDATA[I sampled FWM's Bruckner No. 5 DVD with the CO. Fell asleep the first time and the second time I managed to stay awake. The playing was beautiful, but the interpretation remarkably Earth-bound.
        
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      <![CDATA[There was mention of the London Philharmonic Orchestra in the article as being controversial. I was Principal 1st horn in the LPO for 33 years playing with all the Music Directors over that period, Bernard Haitink, Solti, Klaus Tennstedt, Franz Welser Most and Vladimir Jurowski.
        
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      <![CDATA[Bravo to Michael Gill for a well-written and balanced article! The fact that the PD bowed to pressure from the Orchestra is scandalous - and has literally caused an international scandal in the musical world.
        
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      <![CDATA[Only thing worse than a lazy reporter is a spineless editor.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Rafael 1943]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Thanks for publishing this article. Before moving to Cincinnati - a great town with a great orchestra led by Paavo Jarvi, a great conductor - I lived in Miami,  FL for more than 25 years during which I had the pleasure of listening to some of the world's great orchestras on tour led by, again, great conductors.
        
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      <![CDATA[No word about the outstanding reviews the orchestra has received from international papers. When the Cleveland Orchestra was in residence at the Salzburg Festival in 2008 (under Franz Welser-Most), the critical acclaim was overwhelmingly positive.
        
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      <![CDATA[FWM has his enemies, but he & Cleveland have received many good to great reviews all over Europe and the USA which the article chose not to mention, including some from Tim Smith (who was mentioned in the article, though his reviews were not) and even some from Rosenberg. It is easy to show two reviewers disagreeing about the very same concert, and on one occasion I noticed two reviewers comment about the very same phrase at the beginning of a particular symphony--one reviewer admired the FWM treatment and the other dissed it.
        
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      <![CDATA[I remember somebody saying that trashing the musicians' work by music critics is kind of "a cannibalism". Does not serve a classical music in a long run.
        
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      <![CDATA[One of the benefits of the internet is that classical music reviews from all over the world can be easily accessed, and in many cases translated from other languages into English. In some cities, the music critic acts to much like a cheerleader for the local orchestra.
        
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      <![CDATA[I was fortunate to experience the Cleveland Orchestra during its golden age beginning in 1955 though 1970, the era of George Szell. Those who know the orchestra during that time understand what supernatural musical levels this orchestra could reach.
        
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      <![CDATA[Rosenberg was about the least boring critic in the region. If you want to read press releases and simply confirm your superiority for merely attending a concert, then be content to go on the Cleveland Orchestra Web site.
        
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      <![CDATA[What makes Rosenberg's situation stand out is that his critiques of the Cleveland Orchestra were usually very fair and accurate. I thought he did a good job evaluating the technical and interpretive aspects of orchestra's performances.
        
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      <![CDATA[Claudia Cassidy, music critic of the Chicago Tribune, consistently trashed the work of Jean Martinon when he was the conductor of the Chicago Symphony. Michael Steinberg was heavily critical of both Erich Leinsdorf's and William Steinberg's work with the Boston Symphony.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think this whole issue goes to the notion of who is qualified to assess the art of another person. The conductor does his job, presumably to the best of his ability and that should be presumed good enough given his contract extension, and then the local critic sees it as his job to trash that artistic viewpoint on a continuous basis.
        
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