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It's easy to build an argument when one picks and chooses information.
-The Titans you talk about also completely whipped the Ravens, who are the best team in the AFC North. Matt Hasselbeck picked the Browns apart for 220 total yards?? Through 5 games, he had the least passing yards in the game against the Browns. Guys are throwing for over 400/game consistently this year. I think we can attribute about 80 of those yards to a poor tackling attempt by a certain CB.
-You compare a defense in the middle of its second year in a scheme, with a defense that has played four games and a shortened camp. Will the Browns be worse off in the 4-3 in the coming years? I don't know, but I'd say it's a little early to tell.
-The 49'ers. Let's just take a loot at some of the guys they have.
Alex Smith- 1st overall pick
Frank Gore- Pro-Bowler
Receivers- Two 1st round picks.
TE Vernon Davis- 6th overall pick.
Patrick Willis- 11th pick overall. Pro Bowl and All-Pro, all 4 years in the NFL, and won DROY.
They are also coming off a disappointing year, a year in which many pundits had them making the Superbowl. So to compare this team with the Browns in the way you do is utterly unfair.
And I'm not even an optimist...
I love the Browns, but he's made some good points!
And I was the most positive Browns writer there was for the last two seasons. I can only call them as I see them. -PP
Negative Ned should be this writer's name if it isn't already
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50% in any school is an F. That's what they are getting.
I would say a C- or D right now. We shouldnt have lost to Cincy and the win over Indy was unimpressive to say the least. The Browns actually have a pretty soft schedule this year minus the Ravens and Steelers but I have to go with 7-9 or 8-8 at best
that is true GloryAnn; these felons should be treated the same, just shows how our government works. these white collar criminals made political contributions (" BRIBES ") while commiting their crimes. time to close these country clubs and put them with general population. and the politicians wonder why we don't trust them.
All prisons should be the same, crime is crime, so the punishment should be the same or should I day prisons should be the same. They are living better then the general public at some of these prisons, and of course they are mostly white inmates, special treatment for offical that rip the public off. This just does not compute for me.
We will have to agree to disagree on whether Mangini "...was in the middle of doing a good job coaching", but you can't deny the fact that his tenure is over and it's time to look forward...not backwards. An article like this just takes away from the excitement of a new season. The Browns have moved on, and now, so should you.
You guys can repeat "5-11, 5-11" all you want, but nobody who watched the games and saw what the coach was working with wouldn't say the team was improved significantly from year 1 to year 2. If you think my use of the Clark Judge piece is selective citation, why can't you cite a piece that more persuasively comes out the other way?
The bottom line is that Mangini was the first good coach one we've had here in ten-plus years, and we fired him while he was in the middle of doing a good job coaching. Maybe it works out, but I'm not thrilled at all with setting that kind of precedent. I don't know why anyone would be.
Also, BMA, Carmen Policy, Romeo Crennel, Phil Savage, Butch Davis ... those guys were all "respected football men" when they were brought in to save the Browns.
Anybody who hasn't seen it should google "Mangenius Interrupted" and have a good read.
did cleve fan nail it or what??
the kokinis hiring was beyond disaster. how does one explain that??
you could blame lerner for even allowing mangenius to have that authority,
but to use it to hire who??? hard to comprehend!!
plus the drafts were horrible and the offenses worse!!
he had to go!!
When Mangini was coach, he took Pete into his office, sat him down on his lap, and made him feel like a real special media type person. So now we get an endless array of Mangini revisionist columns on how "coach" was wronged by Holmgren and the media and is a misunderstood genius who would have led us to glory if only Randy Lerner hadn't made the biggest mistake of his life. I particularly enjoy Pete's use of the media as a scapegoat for Mangini's failure, but then his selective citation to the occasional positive media portrayal (CBS' Clark Judge) as proof that he got a raw deal.
Job security for a second 5-11 season in a row that ended in 5 straight losses? On what planet is that something an NFL coach can expect? And had Mangini's hand picked GM not been such a colossal, spectacular failure, Holmgren never would have been brought in. Eric has only himself to blame for getting fired-again.
Hopefully this story line ends soon and Pete can get to LeBron apology columns.
A little late for a Mangini apologist column, no? Look, I backed Eric when he was the coach of the Cleveland Browns...but he's not anymore. Is Pat Shurmur the answer? We don't know that answer yet, but I know that back to back 5-11 seasons isn't "...finally, doing something that was working". I also know that Mike Holmgren, a respected football man, chose Shurmur to lead this team.
There seemed to be a lot of writing here, with not much said.
A comment from Roldo Baltimore:
"I wish Michael had mentioned the owner of that E.9th Street property that the County Commissioners bestowed such large sums of cash. The owner was Dick Jacobs, a man who took so much more than he gave to Cleveland, in my opinion.
Jacobs took much more than the corrupt County officials who some day presumably may spend a day or more in jail
The properties at E. 9th were white elephants and the Commissioners Hagan and Dimora who voted for the purchase must have known or should have known.
Adding insult to injury for all who live and pay taxes in Cuyahoga County, the Commissioner allowed in the sales contact a provision that honored Jacobs. It dictated that a metal plaque would be attached to whatever building eventually came to that corner. The plaque would say the following:
“In recognition of over 50 years of endeavor and achievement, the Board of Cuyahoga County Commissioners, on behalf of its citizens, gratefully acknowledges the significant contributions of Richard E. Jacobs.
“Mr. Jacobs has consistently and selflessly devoted his insight, skills, and resources to the development, redevelopment, and preservation of Downtown Cleveland and Cuyahoga County. This complex, which includes the historic Rotunda, symbolizes the legacy that Mr. Jacobs has established through his leadership in development and owning many of this County’s major commercial, retail, and recreational facilities.”
Now is that an insult to all of us.
If you would like to know the history of Dick Jacobs and how he screwed County taxpayers I suggest you go here:
Thanks, Roldo Bartimole
It should be worth mentioning that he is the son of St. Ignatius's own Oliver Luck.
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