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Re: “A Highway Runs Through It

My only comment is I wish the new alignment were further south on the former First Energy property- so that the rest of the property was on north of I-90. That way, a truly lakefront neighborhood could be built.

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Posted by John_Hickman on 10/18/2017 at 9:31 AM

Re: “A Highway Runs Through It

We can hand GILBERT $80m or so for some new windows, or move a freeway to gain a park.

Priorities people!

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Posted by Jack frankson on 10/18/2017 at 9:27 AM

Re: “A Highway Runs Through It

And the nature preserve at the end of mlk is awesome.

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Posted by Johnny park on 10/18/2017 at 9:20 AM

Re: “A Highway Runs Through It

I have read about this before. This is a great idea but the city of Cleveland is too inept to get this done.

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Posted by Evander on 10/18/2017 at 8:30 AM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

Cleveland has its Old Brooklyn. Now it has its very own New Brooklyn. As in the one in NYC. Better name than that stupid Hingetown. It will always be Ohio City to most Clevelanders. The name will never stick. Trust me. No matter how manybrew eries and high-rises are built.

It's the way of the world. Neighborhoods are built, erased like a blackboard (oops...make that whiteboard), and rebuilt again, God help you if you're the chalk that gets in the way of the army of the developers' steamrollers.

Gentrification and Cleveland..who'da thunk it twenty years ago? Putting those two words together back then woulda been laughable. Now it's finally here...and we're facing the same issues that the bigger or hipper cities (and all those bigger, hipper cities) began dealing with thirty and forty years ago. WE're cutting-ege now! We're cool! Ain't it grand? Yeah, right...

Once Brooklynization begins, it's like a named storm on one of the coasts. You can try to hunker down and ride it out, but you'll probably lose everything. The world you knew will be changed and lost forever. All you can really do is hit the road and the hell get out of the way. Money and Greed are like Harvey and Irma. They cannot be stopped...only dealt with...and lived through. and the survivors have to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives, dust themselves off, and start all over again. This, too, is the way of the world.

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Posted by Chuckles the Clown on 10/16/2017 at 5:28 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

I think there's something that people are missing on the part of long-term residents in these neighborhoods.

On the one hand, we realize that new businesses, visitors and residents are good for the neighborhood, but on the other, we moved here because we liked the views, the quiet streets and the pace of the life as it was.

We didn't move into a neighborhood with a brewery on every corner, and 100-unit, 10-story apartment buildings in our back yards. Many of us moved to Ohio City back in the days when the only competition for street parking were the Ignatius kids or the Saturday morning market crowd - now we frequently have to park blocks away from home on the weekends.

Many of us are torn between applauding the economic development of the neighborhood, and lamenting the fact that this is no longer the neighborhood that we moved in to.

So - we have a difficult and painful choice: do we move to a different neighborhood that still has single-family homes, duplexes, an occasional vacant lot, and a few friendly local businesses, or get used to the idea of living in the middle of a bunch of high rises and big commercial enterprises?

We're not exclusionary - we just want our neighborhood to stay our neighborhood. Not change into something we no longer recognize.

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Posted by Amie G on 10/15/2017 at 2:08 PM

Re: “Comrades in Crime

Cleveland-Immigrant007 - Spoken like a true eastern bloc immigrant. Shady, filthy, treacherous, scumbags are the only kind of words that can be used to describe the acts committed by these "companies". Taken out of context? Fuck you. Non-immigrants shouldn't choose to comment? Double fuck you. This is America, motherfucker. You can't just come in here, rip people off for their hard-earned money and then say it's their fault. Fuck you.

Posted by easternbloc_cansuckmycock on 10/15/2017 at 6:22 AM

Re: “Inside the Biggest Heroin Bust in Northeast Ohio History

Even when they're riding dirty they're still too cool to obey basic traffic law. Idiots.

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Posted by IHop1336 on 10/13/2017 at 3:17 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

When my husband and I bought a house in Ohio City in 1994, we were very confused about our place in the community. After perhaps my tenth block club meeting of listening to neighbors voicing their hostility toward developers, gentrifiers, outsiders who tampered with their community or failed to give back, I finally asked someone: "Are you talking about me? Would the neighborhood be better if I hadn't bought my house?"

All these years later, having raised my kids here, I'm still not sure of the answer to that question. What are the actual requirements for citizenship in this community, and how does one earn the office of speaking for the silent majority?

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Posted by Laura Fratus on 10/13/2017 at 8:35 AM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

They promised 4 retail bays and only built 2!!!!! And 1 of the tenets is a national fitness center!!!!!! Oh the humanity!?!?!?!

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Posted by smokes on 10/12/2017 at 4:07 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

What I cant undetstand is why Harvest Moon organizers were so upset about Saucys attempt to stage another party, an Oktoberfest, on the same day as Harvest Moon.

Whats to be upset about?

More parties mean more people in the neighborhood. Wouldnt it be great if people from different strokes could meet each other and walk between the two parties?

Isnt the idea of a party to bring people together? The more the merrier, right?
Then, why the fight over this??

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Posted by theguv on 10/11/2017 at 11:37 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

Hey @resident, author here. Regarding the genesis of the story, see the first graf of the second section:

"Throughout the summer, before the potluck drama emerged, I'd been talking to neighbors from the Franklin-Clinton Block Club about some related concerns. I had a vague idea that I might write a followup to a piece I'd written two years ago about Ohio City development and the emergence of "Hingetown." Recently, neighbors had been expressing frustration with the media portrayal of their neighborhood's progress. They felt the narrative was being shaped and related almost exclusively by developers."

I was indeed reached out to -- pursued, if you like -- by members of the block club this summer to see if I'd be interested in writing a story. I wasn't sure if I'd follow through with it, but it merited, in my mind, some conversation about a topic that I agreed had been one-sided in the media. It wasn't until the "potluck drama," as I call it, that I felt there was enough of a narrative hook for the piece. It seemed like a pretty good physical illustration of the tension the neighbors had described.

And regarding objectivity: The obvious missing source in the story is Brent Zimmerman himself. We'd made contact on social media, but as I say he did not respond to multiple attempts to schedule an interview or even provide a comment via email. If you look at my 2015 piece on Hingetown, you'll see I spent considerable time with developers Graham Veysey and Marika Shioiri-Clark. I wanted to faithfully present their perspective, and was eager to do the same here. Brent wasn't interested.

You're right, though. Getting the perspectives of newer residents would be a good idea and would provide even more depth on this. Thanks for the comment.

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Posted by Sallard on 10/11/2017 at 5:24 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

Can't we all just get along and put a damn community center in the neighborhood? Something that everyone can utilize?

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Posted by Evander on 10/11/2017 at 3:45 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again


Can you clarify what you mean when you say "that's exactly why this article was pursued"?

It's strange for a reader to know the exact purpose of an article.

Who pursued the article? Who determined the purpose of writing this article? What is the purpose of this article?

Did you, or a group of residents, approach Sam Allard to write this piece after your Facebook post didn't quite go exactly the way you would have liked?

Sam Allard is this objective coverage of an issues (it doesn't have to be) or was it influenced by connections you might have with particular residents?

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Posted by resident on 10/11/2017 at 3:17 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

I think it's hilarious that folks complain about being misconstrued, a sentiment that Allard validates.

You're not being misconstrued. Your audience is either identifying biases that you hold but won't acknowledge, or your message is unclear.

There is a palpable anti-development, anti-outsider, anti-new resident sentiment on behalf of a set incredibly vocal residents. It's hilarious that Allard had a lengthy conversation with Kampf and not any of the new residents who might have a different point of view.

Kampf deserves space should Allard feel it's necessary to tell the story. But so do others, especially the evil intruder who has violated the sanctity of the neighborhood by deciding to move/visit here.

It seems like the harvest moon festival went on without issue. I'm very happy about that. Maybe this "controversy" was just a way to engage in yet more ideological conflicts -- a standard way to approach any new thing in ohio city.

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Posted by resident on 10/11/2017 at 3:07 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

Also, Angie, I'd like to point out that I am a renter in a home that remains affordable to me only because--at great personal financial sacrifice--my landstewards make it possible. I'm not sure on what basis you're assuming things about who is part of this conversation....

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Posted by Paula J Kampf on 10/11/2017 at 3:00 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

Again, no one is anti-renter. New people are moving to the neighborhood and that's a great thing. Mixed income development is welcomed, but that's not what is happening. And it is disingenuous to state that "It's all on surface parking lots," when it is absolutely not all on surface parking lots. If you need evidence of that fact just drive around the neighborhood or read some block club meeting notes. Gentrification, in its earliest stages is happening, and displacement is likely on the way and to stifle conversation about these topics fearing that development will cease is unfounded.

Your position conveys the message that the current practices of tax abated market-rate housing and public spending that draws in wealthier residents should be favored above all other forms of investments as both the existing and the most logical path to neighborhood stability. Fairness and inclusion are not guaranteed by these strategies. Its a privileged position to suggest that those struggling with the climb in neighborhood rents and increased tax assessments arent worthy of a conversation.

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Posted by PriscilaR0706 on 10/11/2017 at 1:09 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

In my opinion, they need to stop the tax abatement in Ohio City and Tremont. The areas are already desirable enough to develop now on their own. Use tax abatement strategically to draw development to other neighborhoods. It worked well for Ohio City and Tremont, but is now unnecessary and potentially problematic.

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Posted by shady machine on 10/11/2017 at 12:52 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

I was not misquoted and Sam described the thrust of the comments I made correctly.
"Naysayer" was however used by me to refer not to development but to the form that it has taken in one neighborhood.
"Density" as a principle is the idea that increased population fosters stores, public transport, and improvements in neighborhoods that would not otherwise be possible with a smaller population.
But that is the case for all neighborhoods. In other cities the permission to build or convert in one neighborhood is tied to development in other areas. Or to development that follows a plan that speaks to more than the class of people who can afford 1,200 mo. for a one bedroom apartment (a sign at Edge 32, a new high rise on West 32nd st.) Or five times that for larger spaces in that building.
Most of the grassy lots of Sam's childhood had houses on them before "Ohio City" existed.
Turning those and other spaces over to developers who, perhaps legitimately from their perspective, are going for maximum return on their money rather than planning what would be of a more general benefit to both this neighborhood and to the entire city is short sighted and not to the advantage of one neighborhood or generally to my city, Cleveland.

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Posted by donttakelifesoserious on 10/11/2017 at 12:26 PM

Re: “Turf Wars and Philosophical Divisions in Ohio City ... Again

I hear you Priscila. To me this is a smart development though. It's in a walkable, transit oriented area. It's all on surface parking lots. This is very sustainable development. A big obstacle to this kind of sustainable development nationally is this kind of pushback from neighbors.

People want to move to the neighborhood like you did. And that's why developers are here. To provide housing for them.

As far as gentrification goes, no one is being displaced because this is happening on parking lots. I think this group needs to be upfront about being in a rather privileged position in this discussion, which is fine.

Cleveland is very badly in need of new housing and different housing types -- specifically multi-family. And we are in need of new investment and new population that can support services for lower-income folks. There aren't a lot of places in the city that can support this type of market rate housing, unfortunately, because we're still a poor, shrinking city.

IMO, this right next to downtown, is the PERFECT place for high-density multi-family. I think the city rightly recognizes that. I think the neighbors' fears that these renters will ruin the neighborhood are natural enough, but are also a bit hyperbolic. I think if they build, they will find that the community that they love will continue to grow and maybe change some but still be a place that they are proud of and love and more people will be able to enjoy it.

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Posted by Schmange19 on 10/11/2017 at 11:43 AM



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