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Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

As a regular rider I know how easy it is to "buck" the system BUT I would like to also point out that the 7 day fare card mobile app is not a 7 day card...it's a 6 day 4 hour card...that 20 hrs a week adds up. I've been riding regularly since February...roughly 34 weeks. The way I see it, RTA owes me about a month worth of fares.

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Posted by mykneckhurtz on 09/18/2017 at 12:23 PM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

It is difficult to believe that the $4,000 gained each month by the RTA from passengers who are fined $25 for fare evasion offsets the salary of the transit police who arrest them. What are the transit police paid each month? And why does the RTA require its transit police to "write ten citations per eight hour shift." This puts extraordinary pressure on its employees if there are not enough fare evaders. No wonder employees are quitting.

Why doesn't the RTA have a fare machine on the Red Line and HealthLine, like it does on other routes? Why don't they fix their fare machines on the Red Line that are so DIFFICULT to use?

Several years ago, when I had to ride the Red Line and HealthLine, to go downtown, I saw men arrested for not having fare cards. The Red Line would come to a halt, and the transit police would board (two or three at a time.) This occurred several times a month. I do not know how they checked all the riders, all day long, since the Red Line runs every ten minutes.

The transit police would tell passengers to hold up their passes and fair cards to view as they marched down the aisle looking at them. If someone did not have a fair card, or had one that was not validated, they were arrested. I never saw any kids without fare cards, only old homeless men.

Several times, I saw the transit police arrest old, drunk or homeless men, drag them out onto the platform, put them on their knees, and handcuff them. The transit police would leave the Red Line and stand around the passenger, who had his head down and was incoherent as he sat on the cement.

This was scary and upsetting to me. Why were they so rough with him?

Why do the transit police choose not to arrest people when riders come from the suburbs for Indians and Cavs games? Is it because the sight of someone being arrested would frighten riders from coming downtown?

This is why I do not ride the Red Line or HealthLine anymore.

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Posted by Jeanne Coppola on 09/16/2017 at 5:58 PM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

To all the people that wanted to see me fall you can suck it. We had a big closed door meeting yesterday and once again nothing happened to me. So get out there and write tickets to make me look better to the failing fare system created by the CEO of RTA.

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Posted by Lt.O.Hudson907 on 09/15/2017 at 3:15 PM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

To the two officers that snitched. Thanks to you now I am bumping it up to 15 tickets a shift. If you have a problem I'm sure my brother who is an officer will tell my wife who is a Sgt who will tell me. Then if you don't like what I have to say you can take it up with our cousin who is a commander. #familystrong #teamhudson #nepotism

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Posted by LT.O.Hudson907 on 09/15/2017 at 11:59 AM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

I think everyone is missing the bigger picture here. Just remember the Warriors blew a 3-1 lead.

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Posted by LeBron Jamesss on 09/15/2017 at 10:42 AM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

These comments have gotten out of control. There is no need for the employees to create accounts and post this ridiculousness. Where is the evidence to back it up? Sounds like Vikram and Brian were angry because they were just part-time scum.

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Posted by Thisisnotanrtapoliceofficer on 09/15/2017 at 10:39 AM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

responding to Chuckles

The fare machines and the system to pay are totally ridiculous! I ride the red line 10 times a week back and forth from work and I have had difficulties occasionally and have had a few opportunities to interact with the cops. Some are great, a few are jerks, this is common in any police department. It seems to me, especially based on the article that the problems stem from leadership within the PD. I have seen the RTA's K-9s used regularly and believe they do a fine job. I agree that turnstiles would be an excellent addition,but I just dont think the city of cleveland could do a better job patrolling the transit lines, they are stretched thin as it is and this would put an undue stress on the police department. I am pleased that these officers stepped up to do the right thing and that has put a little more faith in me that the police really are trying to do the right thing.

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Posted by David Ricardi on 09/15/2017 at 1:52 AM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

First, fix the damn fare machines...make them more reliable and more easy to operate, with fewer steps. Right now, they are a pain in the ass to use. Especially if you don't use them every day.
Secondly, bring back ticket booths and turnstiles, if you are not going to do the above.
Thirdly, fire all RTA cops and their supervisors. Chicago Transit Authority uses regular police offers....why can't we? Our system is a fraction the size of theirs.
Fourth...hire more Cleveland cops to patrol buses, trains, and platforms. Put K-9 units on RTA property. Thugs hate and fear dogs.

Are you listening,, Zack Reed? Quality of life issue, right here. Even more so than the dirt bikers.

Chuckles the Clown

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Posted by Chuckles the Clown on 09/15/2017 at 1:10 AM

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RE: bhallohio

Valid points but I respectfully disagree about the boycotts, the Montgomery bus boycott in the 1950s helped to stop racial segregation on the mass transit lines. Remember there is ALWAYS a profit being looked at by any corporate entity.

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Posted by Joe Tompkins on 09/15/2017 at 1:04 AM
Posted by The Punisher on 09/14/2017 at 11:34 PM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

I have a friend who has been with RTA PD for a long time. He has worked his way up the ranks of the RTAPD just like his father did. He has told me about this LT Hudson clown. He tells me he has to answer to this guy daily who doesn't know his head from his butt. My friend works harder than probably 99% of any other RTA sgt. RTAPD needs more officers and leaders like my friend. He loves husband family loves god and loves to donate his time teaching kids.

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Posted by Brain Vikram's friend's Dad on 09/14/2017 at 11:32 PM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

Maybe if Orlando Hudson was as focused on his job as he is hanging around the women at the RTA customer service desk in Tower City things wouldnt have become this bad.........shame, shame

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Posted by rta hack on 09/14/2017 at 11:02 PM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

As a quick reply to Joe Tompkins: boycotts are useful in pressuring capitalist enterprises into changing out of fear of losing customers and money, and would be a useless endeavor regarding a social service as there are no profits to look out for.

1. Obviously, RTA is lying about the Transit Police being used as revenue generators as being false. We could install turnstiles at every rapid station on the system and it wouldn't cost as much as a year's salary for one of these bullies.

2. I have to ask why RTA has police officers in cars. If you're not on a bus, train, or in a station / transit center, what exactly are you patrolling?

3. The suburbanites who wouldn't ride RTA even if it were on par with transit agencies in Europe in terms of riders and usability will write this off as simple mismanagement and will say things like "this is why I stopped taking the Red Line." Please do some research and find out why the nation's 15th busiest transit system is having such serious financial issues. The problem lies with state funding - Ohio is 7th in population but ~47th in transit spending per capita. Stop spouting off things about how public transportation is a waste of money while remaining completely ignorant to how much it costs to maintain a public roadway system. The whole "gas tax" argument is a silly one and it shouldn't take 25 years to realize that its a completely outdated funding structure.

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Posted by bhallohio on 09/14/2017 at 11:00 PM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

When is this aggression going to stop, all I try to do is go to work everyday, come home, and take care of my family. I understand people need to pay for their tickets but this is insane, how much more revenue does the RTA want to gain by placing a financial burden on the backs of the citizens of cleveland. Orlando Hudson you should be ashamed of yourself for creating this hostile environment or at the very least pushing the biased agenda that the suits at the RTA have decided to establish. I am tired of the harassment and will be purchasing a vehicle as soon as I can afford one so I dont have to deal with this type of foolishness anymore...........Thanks officers brian and vicram for bringing the truth to the light, this is exactly the type of integrity that we need to see in police departments now.

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Posted by Joe Tompkins on 09/14/2017 at 9:42 PM
Posted by Joe Tompkins on 09/14/2017 at 9:34 PM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

Not just a need to fix the fucking fare machines, but to make them more user-friendly. If nYC and Chicago can do it, why can't Cleveland. I have ridden on systems all over North America, and ours is one of the worst when it comes to paying fares.

When there's a big downtown event, the lines can be out the door of the stations because the suburban newbies cannot figure out how to pay, so many of them don't. Especially the ones who ride once or twice a year to a ballgame or some other event, such as a parade.

Is this their fault? Are all the suburbanites and out-of-towners too stupid to figure out the workings of a goddamned fare machine? Hell, no...the fault lies in the design of the damn things. When people get pissed off and don't pay, then they are nailed by the Gestapo.

Used to be they understood the sad situation, and let people buy a ticket or swipe their fare card or whatever...now the little Nazis who are higher up in the chain of command are forcing them to cite the victims of all that poor design, under threat of being fired. And then there are the abusive ones who harass and threaten and occasionally beat people up to show who's boss, but that's another story for another time..

The system itself works, in getting people where they want to go. It's the fare-collection system that blows dead donkeys. And then they wonder why people get burned a few times, say "Fuck it!" and decide to drive instead? A rip-off of forty or fifty bucks at the downtown parking facility sure beats paying a huge fine in court, or being extorted by the stick-up artists of RTA.

Transit cops (who do try to keep the thugs in check) have never been high on my list to begin with, but this story really stinks. It's like the state troopers existing solely to collect money from speeders by writing tickets 100% of the time, at every traffic stop, no matter what. That's not their primary job, to issue tickets and collect fines. Let the cops be cops, and not robbers.

Chuckles the Clown

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Posted by Chuckles the Clown on 09/14/2017 at 3:07 PM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

They need to fix the fucking fare machines. Then people would be able to at LEAST pay for their shit.

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Posted by 14YRSofRTABULL on 09/14/2017 at 7:11 AM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

I have something to say about this I was giving a ticket after I told them I had a bus pass but because it was not swiped or stamped they still gave me a ticket this is unfair maybe you need to put the machine on the red line by the time you swipe inside the rapid pulls off now your late for work etc.I believe they do profile because I have seen on west 25th they would have
10 people sitting out there and would have bus pass all I have ever seen was blacks so please RTA transit cops are racists and always pin pointing just to get money. No I will not pay the fine why because I had a pass all they could have done was have me swipe my pass and let me be on my way RTA transit is bullshit they so worried about money.

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Posted by Danica Henderson on 09/14/2017 at 12:11 AM

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There was many incidents of transit police abuse of authority on the Healthline, where in one incident, a elderly woman and two young children were hassled by the transit police, who come on the bus like they are the gestapo and demand to see fare passes. Because this woman, who was disabled and was sick, as she was headed to UH, she was hassled because she could not pull out her card fast enough, and also made threats to her and the kids. However in this instance, there happened to be another person that was caught that did not have a valid pass card, and this distraction took them away from harassing the woman and the kids. There have been many of those type of incidence on the Healthline, and they seem to harass people in many different areas going on their commute. Some. like myself, was harassed 3 times in one trip, which is absurd and ridiculous. Of course you see this happens more on the east side areas than the west side, especially on the Healthline, where it routes through the black neighborhood and past the hospitals and colleges, and it appears to be more of a revenue trap than it is about fare, to the people that rely on public transportation the most.

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Posted by Arthur Blakey II on 09/13/2017 at 7:53 PM

Re: “Transit Police Say RTA's Unofficial Fare-Enforcement Policies are Inequitable and Dangerous

How about fixing your fare machines? I've had to ride downtown without a ticket fairly often because the fair machines at the stations are out of order. I was almost cited twice for that. They told me "you need to plan ahead". I'm buying a pass at your station to ride on your service. It's your fault, not mine.

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Posted by Shady Machine on 09/13/2017 at 5:12 PM

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