The Indians’ home opener last Friday made local and national headlines, but not for baseball. Photos of a fan in redface talking to a Native American who was protesting the Tribe’s Chief Wahoo logo outside of Progressive Field went viral before the game’s final pitch had been thrown. The photos showed up promptly and prominently on Deadspin, NBC Sports, ESPN and other sites.

The local chapter of the American Indian Movement and a small, dedicated cohort has been protesting Wahoo since 1973. But recent vocal opposition by city councilmen and the “historic stance” against Chief Wahoo by the Plain Dealer’s editorial board has thrust the issue more centrally into local conversations. Scene welcomes those conversations, and feels they’re a long time coming. We’ve been calling Chief Wahoo just what it is for years: a dehumanizing caricature, a red Sambo.

Pedro Rodriguez, the redfaced fan, and Robert Roche, the Native American protester, have become the region’s most visible representatives of the pro- and anti- Wahoo camps.

The stirring and much-publicized image begged the question: Who would have the balls and the stomach to confront a person belonging to a specific race of people while dressed and garishly made up in a costume that mocks (or at the very least trivializes) that specific race of people, and then inform that person that he could not possibly be — and in fact, had no right to be — offended by the costume and the makeup?

Answer: Pedro Rodriguez, that’s who (or at least it appeared). There was a bit more to the backstory on how Rodriguez and Roche became subject to so much media attention.

Peter Pattakos, occasional Scene contributor, local attorney, and ardent spokesman for the anti-sin tax movement, wrote that he had been outside Progressive Field filming a documentary on the protests when he encountered the redfaced Rodriguez. His photo was immediately and widely shared (and now grace’s Scene‘s cover).

“The two of us had a brief conversation in which Rodriguez communicated a lack of empathy for the perspective of the Native American protesters who find Wahoo and the Indians name to be dehumanizing and an illegitimate appropriation of their culture,” Pattakos wrote on Cleveland Frowns. “I then asked him if he would say the same things he was saying to me to an actual Native American. He replied that he would (it would have been hard for him to have said no at that point), so I offered to introduce him to the AIM protesters, who were about 20 yards away.”

Rodriguez was far and away more courteous, sober and responsive than many of the fans ambling along E. 9th en route to Gate C. Rodriguez maintained that Chief Wahoo and his outfit were all about Cleveland pride.

The craziest thing about Friday’s protest was the length to which the Pro-Wahoo crowd was prepared to go to deny the legitimacy of those offended by the logo. Rodriguez at least listened; his pro-Wahoo comrades mainly yelled. It was at times an embarrassing and primitive display.

Only twice in three hours did we observe pro-Wahoo folks talk politely with the protesters about the root of their opposition or try to explain their own difficulties with the logo. (One man turned his Wahoo hat around after his conversation with Roche as a little peace offering).

For the most part, though, passers-by hurled insults. A handful of boozy risk-takers sporting “Keep the Chief” tees walked directly in front of those holding signs, to taunt. Others distributed individual middle-fingers to each protester while inviting them to fuck themselves. Others launched the familiar hate speech — “Go back to the reservation,” etc. — from safe distances.

Among the other notable responses: “Talk to Obama if you think it’s racist.” “It’s a fucking cartoon. Come on!” “[The protesters] are not even Indians!” “Find something better to protest.” “It’s funny because they all look homeless.” “You’re dumbasses. You hear me? Dumbasses.” “We’re trying to celebrate an American pastime.” “Keep the Chief! Keep the Chief! Keep the Chief!” “Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.”

Both Roche and Sundance, the protest’s organizer, said they felt that momentum was on their side this year. Roche, who’s been protesting since 1973, said he’d never seen people so vocal (though he relayed incidents of physical altercations, of which there were none on Friday).

Rodriguez, for his part, never backed away from the initial invitation or the attention that followed. He gave an extensive interview the next day to Aaron Goldhammer on WKNR.

“From the start, it was never my intent nor was I going to the protest by my own behalf to say I’m going to start trouble,” Rodrigues said. “I was minding my own business, but I had to at least explain my side of why I was wearing the outfit. I shook his hand because I wanted to shake his hand. I don’t like people who go 50 feet away and make comments and then run away.”

He reiterated to Goldhammer the same thing he said on Friday: that his outfit, which he says he’s worn to ten home openers, was all about Cleveland and that he was a huge Indians’ fan. He said he was disappointed that the photo made him seem insensitive and that he respected the Native Americans’ opinions. “He said his piece, and I said mine.”

“Never was I trying to offend the Native Americans,” he said. “And people who know me know that I’m a huge Indians fan and would never do anything to embarrass my beloved city of Cleveland.”

But Rodriguez has no plans on stopping, though he does admit that maybe, just maybe some aspects of Chief Wahoo need to change.

“I’m going to say it publicly, if the Indians changed the caricature — and I do agree, the nose and skin’s gotta change — Chief Wahoo needs to stay,” he said. “I will go again as Chief Wahoo. I’m strongly about this.”

The Indians’ franchise seems less strongly about Wahoo, but it’s hard to know for sure. During the offseason, the team officially made the “Block C” the primary team logo in place of Chief Wahoo. It caused the usual online backlash and rote denials from the organization: Chief Wahoo isn’t going anywhere, they said.

It would seem, though, that as Wahoo does disappear from Progressive Field and the uniforms, the Tribe might do away with him for good if they could do so quietly, without publicly announcing as such. At some point, they should take a stand.

But though the community continues to talk about it, the Indians have remained mum (per usual). Bob DiBiasio, the Indians’ VP of Public Affairs, didn’t respond to a request for comment.

The hope now is that incidents like the one between Rodriguez and Roche continue the momentum; that this isn’t a conversation that takes place once a year at the home opener; and that it forces the Indians to finally do the right thing, regardless of public response.

“Do I regret what happened? No,” said Rodriguez. “I think it’s time this issue does go on top, to decide whether [Chief Wahoo] stays or if it goes.”

We couldn’t agree more.

Sam Allard is a former senior writer at Scene.

10 replies on “Chief Wahoo’s Waterloo: A Photo from Protests Outside the Indians’ Home Opener Goes Viral and the Debate Over the Team’s Logo Grows”

  1. The buck stops with Indians management. They won’t even comment for this story? They pay a guy to be their “VP of public affairs” and they can’t respond? What a bunch of spineless weasels! What an embarrassing, backwards organization!

  2. My question is would Mr Rodriguez and the rest of them show up in blackface and confront a bunch of African Americans if the team was the Cleveland Negroes. No, not in a million years they wouldn’t. But Native Americans are subhuman, so it’s OK, right? Haven’t they suffered enough degradation and humiliation?

  3. I personally know Mr. Rodriguez and yes, he would dress in any “race” for the love of the game if that was the mascot or logo. He is a sports enthusiast and I know for a f act that he did not put on that garb with the thought or intention of “Hey who am I going to offend today.” Nice to see a fan stick to their own beliefs and not be swayed by criticism or even this debate.

  4. To many times we natives must hear what is racist to us by non natives. They say, we should not be offended because it is in the fun and spirit of the sport. More so they say we should be proud to have such honors to have people dress up in cartoon fashion.
    Why is it that a race of proud people rely on another race to say, what is racist and what is racism. I never come to understand this act of having another tell us not to be offended or when we should be offended. To me this is a simple way of showing racism lives in America. That we natives must stand back because they say we should. No this is racism at it’s fullest. Old cartoons depicting black people is racism. Why is it not the same for us natives. Is it because we lack political power by vote and must rely on others to step up and say it is racism.
    I am a descendent of chiefs in my tribe. I have served my country in our military. I have been a enforcement officer of 28 years. I am a Native American enrolled member of the Colville Confederated Tribes. My children are also members of my tribe and they too are descendents of chiefs from both my side and their mothers side. My grandchildren are members of my tribes. Yet I think, what must they endure in their lives. Will they also be victims of hate, of anger and of racisim. All that I can do as a father as a grandfather is hope, pray and teach that racism is wrong. That racism carrys acts of hate, anger and violence upon a people of this nation.
    We are offended by this act of sports portraying us Natives as subhumans. We are hurt by these acts of racism. So I ask when will the people understand that it is wrong and it is racism. All that is said is simple at best, racism lives in this great land. Being American also means to stand for what is truth, what is just and what is right. Yes, RACISM lives and it lives strong in our favorite past time in America.
    So I ask this, is the humility placed upon a great people worth a mascot or a name of a team. Is the harm worth it. Racism lives.

  5. WHITEs don’t understand that RACISM they practice and preach effects OUR children as well as the grandchildren.. WHY should they grow up with that stupid WHITE reasoning that “if yer White, yer right” nonsense.. My grandfather was JH Bowman, Codetalker during the WWII pacific war. My father served in Korea.. many uncles fought in Vietnam.. I myself got to tour Central America in the 1980’s… Many Native Americans have fought and died for the United States of WHITE America, TRUE?? So, WHY perpetuate the stereotype of the “Indian” ?? WHY? and what gives YOU, “ANGLOs” the right to preach to “us” Indians anymore, anyway? Look at all the trouble WHITE policy has gotten America into in the world.. Doncha get it ?? WHITE folkways and mores are deceitful, dishonest and disrespectful to all those nations affected by your hypocrisy..

  6. I am the American woman who filed for myself in the 1999 challenge to the name and logo. Long story and yes I am still involved, still know the name and logo are racist and still maintian contacts and friends in Cleveland and on tribal lands. I am sad to see Cleveland exporting both ignorance and racism.

    How many here know that Columbus died believing he had discoverd the “Indies”–today’s India, according to his own diaries? It is time tpo do the city of Cleveland, the fans adn the entire MLB proud and demand change in the name and logo.
    S.A. Noble

  7. Well, I am pleased to hear Mr. Rodriguez spoke to Mr. Roche with respect. Apart from that, the incident still chills me and nothing did more to drive home that the logo is no longer appropriate than his costume.

    Perhaps if the subject were demeaning to Hispanic Americans, Mr. Rodriguez would finally “get it”, but how sad is it that we need our own ox to be gored before we can feel the other guy’s POV is sincere?

    BTW, I still think Zach Reed is an ass and deserves to be roasted for his comments, but then, I think that almost every time he speaks.

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