Citizen Cope Says Upcoming Solo Acoustic Show Will Offer ‘Intimate Vibe’
Clarence Greenwood, the singer-songwriter who performs and records as Citizen Cope, says he didn’t initially think he’d be a singer. “I just wanted to produce and write records,” Citizen Cope says via phone from Nashville, where he was prepping for the solo acoustic tour that brings him to Music Box Supper Club on Wednesday, May 24.…
Is Cleveland Really the Worst City for Black Women? A New Podcast Examines That Question and More
In 2020, a Bloomberg City Lab study that analyzed livability for Black women in 42 American cities — looking at health, economic and educational outcomes — ranked Cleveland dead last. Inspired by the analysis, Cleveland nonprofit thinktank Enlightened Solutions started Project Noir, which surveyed over 450 Black women in Cleveland specifically. “76% of our participants…
Pedro the Lion Frontman Talks About Revisiting the Indie Band’s Early Albums
Originally, Pedro the Lion singer-songwriter David Bazan began writing the songs for the band’s latest album, last year’s Havasu, on a simple synthesizer and drum machine. He then turned to a more elaborate assortment of analog electronic equipment for the actual recording of the album, the second in a series of LPs that centers on…
NRC to Investigate Ground Settlement Issues at Davis-Besse Nuclear Plant
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission will conduct a special inspection of Oak Harbor’s Davis-Besse Nuclear Power Station to investigate ground settlement and related damages around the plant, operated by Energy Harbor Corp., the agency recently announced. Ground settlement occurs naturally, caused by factors like rain, drying and earthquakes, and can affect structural integrity, but the NRC…
‘Do The Right Thing’: Sherrod Brown Urges Norfolk Southern to Fix Crumbling Bridges in Cleveland
In tones of disappointment and censure, Sen. Sherrod Brown in a letter Tuesday demanded the president of Norfolk Southern to fork over a detailed plan to fix 16 “crumbling” bridges in the Cleveland area. Citing personal anecdotes and local reportage, Brown ranted about the Norfolk-owned bridges and support beams “covered in graffiti” and “littered with…
Two More Cleveland-Area Starbucks Locations File for Unionization
Starbucks employees at the Aurora location (157 W. Garfield Rd.) and in Strongsville (17180 Royalton Rd.) have filed filed National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) petitions to unionize. “I am organizing out of respect for myself and my coworkers, in solidarity with the other Starbucks stores to unionize so far, and in honor of all the…
And the 2023 Rock Hall Inductees Are…
Seven performers will join the ranks of music legends enshrined in the Rock Hall this November at the 38th annual induction ceremony in Brooklyn: Rage Against the Machine, Willie Nelson, Missy Elliott, Sheryl Crow, Kate Bush, George Michael, and the Spinners. The Rock Hall foundation this morning also announced the 2023 recipients of the Musical…
15+ Things to Do in Cleveland This Weekend (May 4-7)
Our weekly picks of the best things to do in Cleveland this weekend. Also check out our full Cleveland event calendar. THU 05/04 System Exclusive This SoCal-based indie rock act brings its tour in support of its new EP, Party All the Time, to the Happy Dog tonight. Songs such as “Part Time Pierre” thrive on…
Jonas Brothers Announce Cleveland Date for New Tour
Grab your high heels and red dresses, the Jonas Brothers are burnin’ up to come to Cleveland. The three brothers are embarking on “THE TOUR,” where they will perform “five albums every night,” a press release states. Joe, Nick, and Kevin will all be at the RoMoFiHo on Monday, Sept. 18. No opening act has…
New Program Rapidly Houses Rural Ohio Domestic Violence Survivors
In Ohio’s rural counties, a widespread housing shortage, discrimination and cost all stack up against domestic-violence survivors and their children seeking safe long-term housing. The Ohio Domestic Violence Network has received nearly $2 million in state funding to help people fleeing abuse find apartments, recruit landlords and inspect units to ensure they meet Department of…
Billionaire Backing Effort to Raise Ohio Amendment Threshold Funded Election Deniers, Jan. 6 Rally
An out-of-state donor who wants to make it a lot harder for voters to amend the Ohio Constitution has a history of supporting candidates who falsely deny the results of the 2020 presidential election — and he’s a major supporter of groups that helped organize the rally on Jan. 6, 2021 that led to a…
Cleveland Bitcoin Thief Who Used $4.8M in Stolen Funds for Lavish Life Sentenced to Four Years in Prison
After laundering millions of dollars in stolen Bitcoin currency, souping up his Lamborghini, “making it rain” at strip clubs in Ohio and Florida and splurging on luxury real estate, Gary Harmon was sentenced to four years and three months in prison last Thursday, the Department of Justice announced. His brother, Larry Dean Harmon, was arrested in…
Mount Granita Italian Ice Moves From Seasonal Sidewalk Cart to Little Italy Storefront
For the past three years, Mount Granita Italian Ice has operated a seasonal sidewalk cart in Little Italy. This year is going to be a little different, says owner Christopher Giancola. “After two years of planning and renovations, we’re finally ready to open the doors to our new Italian ice shop in Little Italy,” he says.…
A Haiku Review of Fucked Up’s Beachland Ballroom Concert
Sometimes, the best way to express yourself is through poetry. And since most songs are poems anyway, why not use one to review a show? Specifically, a haiku. That efficient yet majestic brand of art, clocking in at all of 17 syllables. This one is for Canadian hardcore band Fucked Up’s show at the Beachland…
Bomba in Beachwood Has Closed. Locations in Rocky River and Fairlawn Remain
Andy Himmel has made the tough decision to shutter the Bomba Tacos & Bar location at La Place in Beachwood. The restaurant opened in 2018, joining stores in Rocky River and Fairlawn. Those locations remain, as do two Bomba restaurants in Pennsylvania. Himmel, the company’s founder, says that ongoing construction and parking issues at the…
Now Open: Roasted Lakewood
In 2022, Sofia Syed unveiled Roasted in Tremont (2275 Professor Ave., 216-200-8767), a community-minded coffee shop that encourages guests to linger and be creative. In addition to the coffee, tea and smoothies, the welcoming shop hosts comedy shows, live music and artsy pop-ups. When a similarly sized location in Lakewood became available, Syed decided to double the…
Aerosmith Rocking Into Cleveland One Final Time as Part of Farewell Tour
Legendary rock band Aerosmith is coming to the Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse on Sept. 21 as part of its Peace Out farewell tour. The show is likely to be the four-time Grammy-award winning act’s final Cleveland appearance. Tickets for the show go on sale at 10 a.m. this Friday. An array of VIP packages will also…
Ohio Lawmakers Consider Bill Simplifying How Businesses Calculate Taxes for Remote Workers
Ohio lawmakers are considering a measure that could allow business owners to shift their tax burden for remote workers. Proponents of the idea argue it’s a way to simplify tax filing. But it could also make it easier for businesses to reduce their tax burden. Current system and changes State law allows municipalities to levy…
On Independent Bookstore Day’s Tenth Anniversary, Cleveland Shops Celebrate Their Niches
When the American Booksellers Association hosted its first Independent Bookstore Day on the last April weekend of 2013, the indie store was on somewhat of a rebound. Amazon and its resulting e-book craze was flooding the market with more efficient ways to both buy and consume literature, and, as a result, the market for books…
“Lady Caroline” Will Replace Nautica Queen This Summer
Lady Caroline, a 120-foot-long ship, is set to replace the Nautica Queen as the Cuyahoga River’s resident dining cruise. The ship is set to dock at the Flats West Bank next week and start offering events in early June, according to developer Jacobs Entertainment, Inc. “This stylish ride absolutely will be one of the best…
“Are You There God, It’s Me Margaret” is a Faithful, and Moving, Adaptation of Judy Blume’s Coming-of-Age Classic
Growing up ravenous for any “young adult” content that offered the slightest glimpse of sexuality, I — along with generations of girls — gravitated to Judy Blume novels like a shark drawn to (menstrual) blood. But I was never a Margaret fan. Give me Deenie any day. Why look up to a sixth grader desperate…
Review: “The Tina Turner Musical” at Playhouse Square Will Take You Higher
If you were asked to describe Tina Turner’s singing voice, chances are you’d use the word electrifying. As the unofficially dubbed “Queen of Rock ‘n’ Roll,” Tina could turn an ordinary rock song into an anthem, and an anthem into a life-altering experience. While it’s not the lady herself, Tina: The Tina Turner Musical, now…
Opponents of August Special Election Continue to Use Ohio Sec. of State Frank LaRose’s Own Words Against Him
In a continuing effort to stop legislators from reinstating an August election this year, opponents quoted Ohio’s Secretary of State, who just last year, supported the removal of unneeded August elections. The quotes included one in which Secretary Frank LaRose claimed August elections result in “a handful of voters” making “big decisions,” and the winner…
After ArtCraft’s Closing, Buildings For Creatives Continue to Rise. Will They Offer Affordable Rents?
A former environmental lawyer who now works in insurance, J. Shorey bought a six-story abandoned foundry building off East 71st St. in 2012, shortly after its previous tenant went bankrupt. Shorey, a naturally ambitious man, saw big things for the site: a sustainable farm, a site to raise branzino and salmon. (Lake Erie water, at…
Ohio AG Office Ends Debt Collection Partnership With Cleveland After City Targets 20-Year-Old Parking Tickets
The Ohio Attorney General’s Office has canceled a debt collection partnership with the Cleveland Clerk of Courts, which garnered attention for going after unpaid parking tickets, some more than 20 years old, the vast majority of which were for $20. The collection effort violated a clerk’s office memorandum of understanding stating that fines collected by…
Empress Taytu, Which Closed a Couple Months Ago, Has Reopened
In January, we reported the sad news that Empress Taytu — Cleveland’s first and longest-running Ethiopian restaurant — was closing its doors after 31 years in business. Owners Carl and Senait Robson, who gave many local diners their first taste of Ethiopian food, decided to put the business and building up for sale. But earlier this week, the Robsons quietly…
Homa Bash Leaving Channel 5 and Cleveland for D.C.
Longtime Channel 5 anchor and reporter Homa Bash announced today that she will soon be leaving the station and Cleveland for Washington D.C. “My husband and I felt like didn’t have enough going on with three kids under 2, so we’re packing up our little family & heading to Washington D.C. for our next adventure…
Video: Ohio Minister Says Demonic Possession and Satanic Agendas Behind Opposition to Anti-Trans Bill
Supporters of Ohio House Bill 68, which would ban gender-affirming care for minors, had its second hearing before the House House Public Health Policy Committee this week. Among the supporters was Stuart Long, a Columbus-area minister who came to say “what no one else would say” on the topic: Anyone opposed to the bill is possessed by…
Five Concerts to Catch in Cleveland This Weekend
FRI 04/28 Lil Wayne The hardcore rapper whose career dates back to the late 1990s, serves as the CEO of Young Money Entertainment, the label that helped launch the careers of acts such as Drake, Nicki Minaj and Tyga. Wayne, who just released the career retrospective I Am Music, brings his 29-city tour to House…
Ohio House Begins Hearings to Bring Back August Elections
An Ohio House committee took up two measures Wednesday aimed at re-establishing an August special election. Lawmakers eliminated nearly all such contests in the waning days of the last session, just a few short months ago. But with an abortion amendment looking likely to appear on the November ballot, Republicans are pulling out all the…
Ohio Bill That Would Out LGBTQ+ Students to Parents Gets Third Hearing
A third hearing was held on Tuesday, April 25 at the Ohio Statehouse for House Bill 8, the Parents’ Bill of Rights. If passed, the bill would force all teachers and school staff — including social workers and school counselors — to out LGBTQ+ students to their parents. According to the bill’s language, schools must…
Cleveland Ranks Among Nation’s Top Ten ‘Buggiest’ Cities, Says Report
Get ready to grab that OFF! Spray. In a report released today by lawn care company TruGreen, Cleveland is ranked as one of the top ten cities nationwide most impacted by outdoor pests—specifically mosquitos, fleas and ticks. The study places the Cleveland-AKron region at No. 7 out of the country’s 20 largest metros. The list…
Cleveland Conducting Second Study to Gauge Future of Burke Lakefront Airport
The city announced Monday that it’s embarking on another study to determine the future of Burke Lakefront Airport. The question being whether Cleveland should stand by its current operation, which has seen yearly decreases in takeoffs and landings, or attempt to close it and use the 445 acres for something else. Running through August and…
The Cleveland Orchestra Premieres Wynton Marsalis’ Trumpet Concerto and Our Classical Music Picks This Week
Here’s an amazing array of classical music performances to choose from this week. – On Wednesday, April 26 at Noon, Trinity Cathedral’s Brownbag Bach Fest continues with violinist Andrew Sords performing the B-minor Partita and organist Todd Wilson taking on the E minor Trio Sonata. It’s free. – On Thursday at 7:30 pm, Franz Welser-Möst…
Stop Littering, You Doofuses
Ohioans joined 193 countries and more than a billion people in celebrating Earth Day last weekend. We also joined everyone in reckoning with our litter problem. Even though 81% of Ohioans know littering is illegal (not to mention especially lazy and wrong), according to ODOT, 42% of Ohioans have littered in the past month. More than…
Cuyahoga County Council Considering Legislation to Stop Doing Business With Companies That Commit Wage Theft
Cuyahoga County Council on Tuesday introduced legislation to stop the county from working with companies that commit wage theft. Sponsored by members Patrick Kelly, Dale Miller, Martin Sweeney, Chery Stephens, Scott Tuma, Meredith Turner and Sunny Simon, the ordinance would prohibit the county from entering into contracts with companies with histories of wage theft within…
15+ Things to Do in Cleveland This Weekend (April 27-30)
Our weekly picks of the best things to do in Cleveland this weekend. Also check out our full Cleveland event calendar. THU 04/27 The Beatles — Rock Hall Nights The Rock Hall’s house band, the Mechanics, will play Beatles songs at this special Rock Hall Nights event that takes place between 5 and 9 p.m. at…
CMSD CEO Finalists Face Questions on Safety, Equity in Community Panel
Dr. Ricardo “Rocky” Torres and Dr. Warren Morgan — the finalists to be CMSD’s next CEO — fielded questions from panels of students and parents last night on equitable access to educational and extracurricular opportunitys, safety, disparities in facilities across the district, remote learning and school lunches. The two also laid out some of the…
Patron Saint, an Italian-Inspired All-Day Cafe and Aperitivo Bar, Opening in Ohio City
For 20 years, the striking Vitrolite Building (2915 Detroit Ave.) in Ohio City had been home to the Intermuseum Conservation Association, but before that it was a showroom and warehouse for Vitrolite tile – aka pigmented structural glass. Soon, the property will exhibit a more community-minded purpose when a trio of businesses – Harness Cycle,…
Elevation Festivals Announces Lineups for Upcoming WMMS Buzzard Fest and WGAR Country Jam
Elevation Festivals, the same folks that put on the annual Wonderstruck Festival, have just announced the lineups for two other upcoming festivals, WMMS Buzzard Fest and WGAR Country Jam. Both events take place at Victory Park Ohio in North Ridgeville. Buzzard Fest, which takes place on Aug. 4, will feature Incubus, Bush, +LIVE+,Filter and Welshly…
“The Bubbly Black Girl Sheds Her Chameleon Skin” at Karamu House is the Best Musical You’ll See This Year
Fortune telling is not a skill this wrinkled and woebegone theater critic has in abundance. But I’m willing to bet that there won’t be a more delightful performance of a musical in 2023 than the one now on stage at Karamu House. The Bubbly Black Girl Sheds Her Chameleon Skin earns its long title thanks…
One and Two-Star Reviews of the Cleveland Script Signs
There may be no more photographed things in Cleveland — besides the skyline, of course — than the Cleveland script signs. Related Installed at six spots around town — Tremont, Euclid Beach, The Foundry, North Coast Harbor, Edgewater and at Hopkins International Airport — the beacons of The Land were launched as part of Destination…
Bipartisan Group of Former Ohio Governors Are Against 60% Constitutional Amendment Threshold and August vote
A group of Republican Ohio lawmakers are dead set on raising the threshold for passing amendments to the state constitution and resurrecting an August special election to do so. But some in the party aren’t comfortable with such an aggressive maneuver. Monday, former Ohio Governor Bob Taft, a Republican, spoke out forcefully against it. “I…
Cleveland City Council Set to Pass Medical Debt Relief Bill
Cleveland City Council will vote tonight on a bill that would help cancel nearly $190 million in medical debt held by around 50,000 Clevelanders. Council members, in a press conference before the vote Monday evening, during which the legislation is expected to pass, championed the effort. “Medical debt is like a monkey on your back.…
Ohio Groups Want More Public Feedback on Leasing State Lands for Oil, Gas Drilling
Residents and environmental groups say they’re concerned about public notice and comment processes for leasing state lands for oil and gas extraction. Next month, Ohio’s Joint Committee on Agency Rule Review holds a hearing on regulating the leasing process. Under House Bill 507, which just went into effect, any state agency that receives a request…
Two Finalists to Be Next CMSD CEO Interview With Community Panels This Week
The Cleveland Board of Education’s search for Cleveland Metropolitan School District’s next CEO is down to two candidates: Dr. Ricardo “Rocky” Torres and Dr. Warren Morgan, both of whom have Cleveland ties. As part of deciding between them, the two will have interviews with Mayor Justin Bibb, the CMSD board, and eight community panels comprised…
“What We Look Like,” Now at Dobama, Has Too Much to Say
Did you ever wonder what you look like to your neighbors? One day you’re super snazzy, dressed up and knocking ’em dead at work or an event. And the next morning there you are, frizzy-haired in a flannel robe and floppy slippers, watching your dog take a crap on the tree lawn. We always present…
Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost Jumps Into Florida Abortion Fight
Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost and 14 other attorneys general are arguing in federal court that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis was within his powers when he removed a local prosecutor who had spoken out against the state’s restrictive new abortion law. But the group that represents Ohio’s local prosecutors doesn’t seem comfortable with that claim,…
Rib Cage Smokehouse Express to Open in South Euclid Friday, April 28
The Rib Cage Smokehouse opened in Cleveland Heights a decade ago. In 2018, the Hill family expanded the business with a new location in Ohio City (1834 West 25th St., 216-762-1996). East-siders lost the Heights location a couple years back, but will soon gain an “express” version of the smokehouse when the family opens the doors…
Judge Denies Beachwood Police Chief’s Attempt to Identify Anonymous Commenter
Comments made by two ficitious Facebook accounts and anonymous emails sent to Beachwood officials are protected speech and the city and its police chief Katherine McLaughlin can not use subpoenas to try and identify the person behind the messages, Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Judge Andrew Santoli ruled this week in the defamation case filed last…
More Than 100 People Speak Out Against Massive Ohio Higher Education Bill During Marathon Meeting
Concerned college students, worried university staff, and outraged advocates packed the Ohio Statehouse Wednesday to speak against a massive higher education bill that would significantly change college campuses. More than 500 people submitted opponent testimony to Senate Bill 83, which would, among other things, require American history courses and tenure evaluations based on if the…
East 4th Street Designated Outdoor Drinking Area Wins Planning Commission Approval
Following cities like Shaker Heights, Akron and Columbus, Cleveland is one step closer to getting its first designated outdoor refreshment area, or DORA, on East 4th Street, after the proposal won the approval of the planning commission on Friday. Next, the DORA legislation will need to get approval from City Council before an application is sent…
Lawsuit by Ohio Cops Against Afroman Saw Some Action on 4/20
The lawsuit by deputies in Adams County, Ohio against rapper Afroman, known for his hit “Because I Got High,” had a pretrial scheduling call on April 20, appropriately enough. Afroman, given name Joseph Edgar Foreman, is being sued by seven members of the Adams County Sheriff’s Office for publishing his own security footage of a…
Oil and Gas Drilling in Ohio State Parks Set to Expand. Some Say Taxes on It Are Too Low
Energy companies, lawmakers, and environmental groups are again arguing over the companies’ ability to drill for oil and gas in Ohio state parks. And as they battle over the firms’ ability to drill for profits on taxpayer-owned land intended for recreation and conservation, it raises another question that isn’t exactly new: Are the companies paying…
Humble Wine Bar to Open Second Location in Bay Village
This summer, Humble Wine Bar (15400 Detroit Ave., 216-767-5977) in Lakewood will celebrate a decade in business. The success of that restaurant prompted owners Dan Deagan and Mandi Burman to begin searching for a second home, which they actively have been doing for the past nine months. Bay Village was high on their wish list…
Downtown Cleveland Housing, By the Numbers
As cranes continue to pop up and twirl around town this summer and development projects continue apace, the Downtown Cleveland Alliance this week released its housing report, compiled by Philadelphia’s Urban Partners. It affirmed a few things one would probably assume — not many people own homes downtown, only 6% of residents, good for one…
Bibb Leans Into Public Safety, Jobs and Housing in Second State of the City Address
Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb, in his second state of the speech address, delivered last night at East Tech, spent more than a third of his time talking about public safety and improvements he sees happening. The speech — planned at 30 minutes but clocking in at over 50 — was packed with data points on…
Opponents Speak Out Against Proposed Ban on Trans Athletes From Ohio Women’s Sports
Only a fraction of those who submitted testimony against a bill that would prevent trans athletes from participating in Ohio women’s sports and youth athletics were able to speak Wednesday due to time constraints. Of the more than 80 people who submitted opponent testimony, the Higher Education Committee was only able to hear about a…
Ohio Bill That Would Ban Gender-Affirming Care for Minors Gets Contentious First Hearing
Ohio House Bill 68, the proposed Save Adolescents From Experimentation (SAFE) Act, drew a crowd and debate Tuesday in its first hearing before the Public Health Policy House Committee. The “SAFE Act” takes aim at gender-affirming care for minors and bears a strong resemblance to last year’s House Bill 454, which bore the same name and made…
Proposed Legislation Would Ban Non-Consensual Pelvic Exams in Ohio
Legislation introduced in Ohio statehouse could address an issue that many patients don’t know about: Non-consenual pelvic exams administered by medical students as practice in their studies while patients are unconscious for an unrelated procedure. Although patients may consent to having medical students involved in their care, they may not realize that “care” could entail…
Tita Flora’s, ‘First Filipino Restaurant in Cleveland,’ to Open Next Month in Independence
When it comes to cuisines that are sorely lacking in Cleveland, Filipino is at the very top of the list. The melting-pot cuisine of the Philippines continues to climb in popularity around the nation, but locally the options are limited to a couple carry-out-only places such as Mely’s Kainan and Nipa Hut Oriental Market. Soon,…
Ohio Is Making Strides on Cannabis Legalization
There’s a chance Ohio could become a safe haven for medical marijuana users and casual tokers in 2023. Legislation to expand the state’s medical program is making its way through the statehouse, even as a citizens’ push seeks to get recreational weed on the November ballot. In order to understand what’s now allowed, what could…
The Baldwin Wallace Bach Festival and the Rest of the Classical Music to Catch in Cleveland This Week
This week’s long list of picks begin with the Baldwin Wallace Bach Festival, now celebrating its 91st year. Tickets available online. Bach in Berea begins on Friday at 7 in Gamble Auditorium with an all-J.S. Bach program featuring the Boston-based Baroque string band ACRONYM and special guest Catharina Meints, viola da gamba, in two of…
Livewire: 15 Concerts You Shouldn’t Miss in Cleveland This Month
FRI 04/21 Dan Wilson Akron-based jazz guitarist Dan Wilson comes to the Bop Stop tonight in the wake of the release of his new single, “Sticology,” and a cover of “Eleanor Rigby.” He’ll drop his full-length album next month on Christian McBride’s imprint Brother Mister Productions via Mack Avenue Music Group. Expect to hear songs…
What Norfolk Southern’s CEO Said to the Ohio Senate Rail Committee This Week
The president and CEO of the train company spotlighted in the East Palestine train disaster appeared by the Ohio Senate Select Committee on Rail Safety to explain his company’s role in the mess, and in cleaning it up. “We are a safe railroad,” said president and CEO Alan Shaw. “Norfolk Southern is a safe railroad.”…
Review: With Boom’s and Gray House, Lakewood Lands Two Different But Equally Delicious Styles of Pizza
It’s reasonable to look at all these new pizza joints setting up shop and lament the death of variety. But with each new opening – at least the independently owned ones we’ve been tracking here – the overall level of quality, consistency and, yes, diversity continues to climb. Two new Lakewood spots that opened recently…
Car Washes Are Opening at a Feverish Clip Across Northeast Ohio. Some Suburbs Have Had Enough
Parma, like all cities, usually welcomes the arrival of new business. Businesses, after all, mean jobs and tax collections. But in the summer of 2021, it had good reason to take what, at the time, was a bold stance against one sector when it passed a six-month moratorium on car washes: There were at least…
